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Forwarding from: www.bttr-software.de/forum/forum_entry.php?id=14645

HX DOS Extender 2.17+ with modern sound card support (Announce)

posted by Wengier, 16.02.2016, 22:33

As many of you already know, HX DOS Extender, the best DOS extender out
there is no longer maintained by Japheth. One major issue that HX 2.17
(the last version by Japheth) exists is that it only supports a
SBpro/SB16 card. More recently however, Ruslan Starodubov, the author of
modern sound cards support for QuickView Pro 2.60, has decided to update
HX 2.17 to support these modern sound cards such as AC97 and Intel HDA
too. Yesterday he released HX 2.17+, which currently features
experimental support for Intel HDA sound cards. The download page is at:

http://sound-dos.ucoz.ru/

Please note that this is a very important milestone in the history of
DOS, as the vast majority of DOS sound apps/games out there (except
certain programs such as QV 2.60 and MPXPLAY) currently don't support
modern sound cards such as AC97/HDA directly, and there is no SB16
emulation driver available for these modern sound cards; however, since
DOSBox (the best DOS emulator) provides good SB16 emulation and we are
able to run DOSBox under HX DOS Extender, and so if HX DOS Extender
supports modern sound cards like HDA, then all DOS sound apps/games that
work in DOSBox would be able to play sound through DOSBox's SB16
emulation of these sound cards under HX DOS Extender. This is
functionally pretty much like a SB16 emulation driver for modern sound
cards in real DOS. Once we are able to get sound cards like AC97/HDA to
work reliably with HX, then the no sound issue with the majority of DOS
sound apps/games will be completed resolved by the SB16 emulation of
these sound cards within HX+DOSBox in real DOS. So please don't hesitate
to test your HDA sound cards under HX 2.17+ now and report any issues
encountered. In case you want to try a recent DOSBox build that run
under HX, you can try the one built with MinGW below with long filename,
mouse copy/paste and DBCS support:

http://bit.ly/1laDvGX

Download both HX and DOSBox, then make sure DOSLFN is loaded and run
DOSBox with "dpmild32 -g dosbox.exe". In my experiences it currently
works best with Japheth's HX 2.16, which is still accessible from the
page below (download both HXRT and HXGUI packages). When using with HX
2.17 or 2.17+, you might need to replace its VESA32.DLL file with the
one from HX 2.16.

http://web.archive.org/web/20140904175113/http://www.japheth.de/HX.html

Wengier


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Re: HX DOS extender with AC97 and HDA soundcard support

Guillem León
Just for clarification, does this only work with programs loaded inside dosbox inside HX, or is there any way to get it to work under DOS directly, with HX loaded but without DOSbox? I'm still thinking of dualbooting one of my machines with DOS but I need some way of doing either USB serial port emulation or modern soundcard support for speech synthesis.

> On 16 Feb 2016, at 22:47, Eric Auer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> Forwarding from: www.bttr-software.de/forum/forum_entry.php?id=14645
>
> HX DOS Extender 2.17+ with modern sound card support (Announce)
>
> posted by Wengier, 16.02.2016, 22:33
>
> As many of you already know, HX DOS Extender, the best DOS extender out
> there is no longer maintained by Japheth. One major issue that HX 2.17
> (the last version by Japheth) exists is that it only supports a
> SBpro/SB16 card. More recently however, Ruslan Starodubov, the author of
> modern sound cards support for QuickView Pro 2.60, has decided to update
> HX 2.17 to support these modern sound cards such as AC97 and Intel HDA
> too. Yesterday he released HX 2.17+, which currently features
> experimental support for Intel HDA sound cards. The download page is at:
>
> http://sound-dos.ucoz.ru/
>
> Please note that this is a very important milestone in the history of
> DOS, as the vast majority of DOS sound apps/games out there (except
> certain programs such as QV 2.60 and MPXPLAY) currently don't support
> modern sound cards such as AC97/HDA directly, and there is no SB16
> emulation driver available for these modern sound cards; however, since
> DOSBox (the best DOS emulator) provides good SB16 emulation and we are
> able to run DOSBox under HX DOS Extender, and so if HX DOS Extender
> supports modern sound cards like HDA, then all DOS sound apps/games that
> work in DOSBox would be able to play sound through DOSBox's SB16
> emulation of these sound cards under HX DOS Extender. This is
> functionally pretty much like a SB16 emulation driver for modern sound
> cards in real DOS. Once we are able to get sound cards like AC97/HDA to
> work reliably with HX, then the no sound issue with the majority of DOS
> sound apps/games will be completed resolved by the SB16 emulation of
> these sound cards within HX+DOSBox in real DOS. So please don't hesitate
> to test your HDA sound cards under HX 2.17+ now and report any issues
> encountered. In case you want to try a recent DOSBox build that run
> under HX, you can try the one built with MinGW below with long filename,
> mouse copy/paste and DBCS support:
>
> http://bit.ly/1laDvGX
>
> Download both HX and DOSBox, then make sure DOSLFN is loaded and run
> DOSBox with "dpmild32 -g dosbox.exe". In my experiences it currently
> works best with Japheth's HX 2.16, which is still accessible from the
> page below (download both HXRT and HXGUI packages). When using with HX
> 2.17 or 2.17+, you might need to replace its VESA32.DLL file with the
> one from HX 2.16.
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20140904175113/http://www.japheth.de/HX.html
>
> Wengier
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Re: HX DOS extender with AC97 and HDA soundcard support

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> Just for clarification, does this only work with programs loaded
> inside dosbox inside HX, or is there any way to get it to work under
> DOS directly, with HX loaded but without DOSbox? I'm still thinking
> of dualbooting one of my machines with DOS but I need some way of
> doing either USB serial port emulation or modern soundcard support
> for speech synthesis.

I do not know, please check the website or try to find out. If it
works in dosbox, it already is quite nice, but of course it would
be even better if it also worked for old DOS programs.

Eric


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Re: HX DOS extender with AC97 and HDA soundcard support

Guillem León
Hi.
Yeah, only reason I asked is because right now my only way of running DOS is actually through dosbox, which would make testing it kind of impossible. Before I dualboot my PC I want to be sure I'll be able to use it. If I don't have speech synthesis I can't use the computer. I would run the screenreaders through HX but the problem is that all the DOS screenreaders that I know of are 16-bit, and I'm not sure if they'd even be able to access all the data they need to.

Thanks.

> On 17 Feb 2016, at 12:09, Eric Auer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>> Just for clarification, does this only work with programs loaded
>> inside dosbox inside HX, or is there any way to get it to work under
>> DOS directly, with HX loaded but without DOSbox? I'm still thinking
>> of dualbooting one of my machines with DOS but I need some way of
>> doing either USB serial port emulation or modern soundcard support
>> for speech synthesis.
>
> I do not know, please check the website or try to find out. If it
> works in dosbox, it already is quite nice, but of course it would
> be even better if it also worked for old DOS programs.
>
> Eric
>
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Re: HX DOS extender with AC97 and HDA soundcard support

dosgeek57
I got it to work through DOSBOX in Linux Xubuntu, but not in FreeDOS on an Acer Laptop. It was cool to hear sound in Xargon and PakuPaku.

Will try to run it today on a HP/Compaq DC5700 desktop after I switch my audio cables.

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 1:39 AM, Guillem León <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi.
Yeah, only reason I asked is because right now my only way of running DOS is actually through dosbox, which would make testing it kind of impossible. Before I dualboot my PC I want to be sure I'll be able to use it. If I don't have speech synthesis I can't use the computer. I would run the screenreaders through HX but the problem is that all the DOS screenreaders that I know of are 16-bit, and I'm not sure if they'd even be able to access all the data they need to.

Thanks.

> On 17 Feb 2016, at 12:09, Eric Auer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>> Just for clarification, does this only work with programs loaded
>> inside dosbox inside HX, or is there any way to get it to work under
>> DOS directly, with HX loaded but without DOSbox? I'm still thinking
>> of dualbooting one of my machines with DOS but I need some way of
>> doing either USB serial port emulation or modern soundcard support
>> for speech synthesis.
>
> I do not know, please check the website or try to find out. If it
> works in dosbox, it already is quite nice, but of course it would
> be even better if it also worked for old DOS programs.
>
> Eric
>
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Re: HX DOS extender with AC97 and HDA soundcard support

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Re: HX DOS extender with AC97 and HDA soundcard support

Guillem León
I have heard about talking dosbox, in fact I helped with the project and I made one of the speech synthesis helper applications, but I was hoping to be able to have dos running natively without emulation. I have no sight whatsoever so I need speech output, and the only ways of speech output available are through serial with an external speech synthesizer or via a SoundBlaster or compatible with SBTalker, Monologue, TextAssist etc.

> On 18 Feb 2016, at 21:49, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Guillem,
> granted I am unsure what your goals may be, but have you tried  a relatively new project talking dosbox?
>
>
> http://batsupport.com/unsupported/dosbox/00_README.html
>
>
> I can tell you nothing about it save that  it is supposed to allow for speech via dosbox using the sound card etc.
> hope this presents a solution for you.
> karen
>
>
> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>> Yeah, only reason I asked is because right now my only way of running DOS is actually through dosbox, which would make testing it kind of impossible. Before I dualboot my PC I want to be sure I'll be able to use it. If I don't have speech synthesis I can't use the computer. I would run the screenreaders through HX but the problem is that all the DOS screenreaders that I know of are 16-bit, and I'm not sure if they'd even be able to access all the data they need to.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>> On 17 Feb 2016, at 12:09, Eric Auer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Just for clarification, does this only work with programs loaded
>>>> inside dosbox inside HX, or is there any way to get it to work under
>>>> DOS directly, with HX loaded but without DOSbox? I'm still thinking
>>>> of dualbooting one of my machines with DOS but I need some way of
>>>> doing either USB serial port emulation or modern soundcard support
>>>> for speech synthesis.
>>>
>>> I do not know, please check the website or try to find out. If it
>>> works in dosbox, it already is quite nice, but of course it would
>>> be even better if it also worked for old DOS programs.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
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Re: HX DOS extender with AC97 and HDA soundcard support

Karen Lewellen
Understood,
May I ask what the problem is then?  Do you not have an external
synthesizer?
I do not use freedos, but a later  package of ms dos 7.1  I have no
issues, but I am not using a sound card.


On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:

> I have heard about talking dosbox, in fact I helped with the project and I made one of the speech synthesis helper applications, but I was hoping to be able to have dos running natively without emulation. I have no sight whatsoever so I need speech output, and the only ways of speech output available are through serial with an external speech synthesizer or via a SoundBlaster or compatible with SBTalker, Monologue, TextAssist etc.
>
>> On 18 Feb 2016, at 21:49, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Guillem,
>> granted I am unsure what your goals may be, but have you tried  a relatively new project talking dosbox?
>>
>>
>> http://batsupport.com/unsupported/dosbox/00_README.html
>>
>>
>> I can tell you nothing about it save that  it is supposed to allow for speech via dosbox using the sound card etc.
>> hope this presents a solution for you.
>> karen
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>>
>>> Hi.
>>> Yeah, only reason I asked is because right now my only way of running DOS is actually through dosbox, which would make testing it kind of impossible. Before I dualboot my PC I want to be sure I'll be able to use it. If I don't have speech synthesis I can't use the computer. I would run the screenreaders through HX but the problem is that all the DOS screenreaders that I know of are 16-bit, and I'm not sure if they'd even be able to access all the data they need to.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>> On 17 Feb 2016, at 12:09, Eric Auer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Just for clarification, does this only work with programs loaded
>>>>> inside dosbox inside HX, or is there any way to get it to work under
>>>>> DOS directly, with HX loaded but without DOSbox? I'm still thinking
>>>>> of dualbooting one of my machines with DOS but I need some way of
>>>>> doing either USB serial port emulation or modern soundcard support
>>>>> for speech synthesis.
>>>>
>>>> I do not know, please check the website or try to find out. If it
>>>> works in dosbox, it already is quite nice, but of course it would
>>>> be even better if it also worked for old DOS programs.
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: HX DOS extender with AC97 and HDA soundcard support

Guillem León
I do, but none of the computers that I have have a serial port. I was hoping that this would be an alternative but I guess not.

> On 18 Feb 2016, at 23:43, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Understood,
> May I ask what the problem is then?  Do you not have an external synthesizer?
> I do not use freedos, but a later  package of ms dos 7.1  I have no issues, but I am not using a sound card.
>
>
> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>
>> I have heard about talking dosbox, in fact I helped with the project and I made one of the speech synthesis helper applications, but I was hoping to be able to have dos running natively without emulation. I have no sight whatsoever so I need speech output, and the only ways of speech output available are through serial with an external speech synthesizer or via a SoundBlaster or compatible with SBTalker, Monologue, TextAssist etc.
>>
>>> On 18 Feb 2016, at 21:49, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Guillem,
>>> granted I am unsure what your goals may be, but have you tried  a relatively new project talking dosbox?
>>>
>>>
>>> http://batsupport.com/unsupported/dosbox/00_README.html
>>>
>>>
>>> I can tell you nothing about it save that  it is supposed to allow for speech via dosbox using the sound card etc.
>>> hope this presents a solution for you.
>>> karen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi.
>>>> Yeah, only reason I asked is because right now my only way of running DOS is actually through dosbox, which would make testing it kind of impossible. Before I dualboot my PC I want to be sure I'll be able to use it. If I don't have speech synthesis I can't use the computer. I would run the screenreaders through HX but the problem is that all the DOS screenreaders that I know of are 16-bit, and I'm not sure if they'd even be able to access all the data they need to.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>> On 17 Feb 2016, at 12:09, Eric Auer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just for clarification, does this only work with programs loaded
>>>>>> inside dosbox inside HX, or is there any way to get it to work under
>>>>>> DOS directly, with HX loaded but without DOSbox? I'm still thinking
>>>>>> of dualbooting one of my machines with DOS but I need some way of
>>>>>> doing either USB serial port emulation or modern soundcard support
>>>>>> for speech synthesis.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not know, please check the website or try to find out. If it
>>>>> works in dosbox, it already is quite nice, but of course it would
>>>>> be even better if it also worked for old DOS programs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: HX DOS extender with AC97 and HDA soundcard support

Karen Lewellen
Oh okay.
I have no idea, it might I believe someone  suggested asking on the
source list for it.
I have always gotten my machines custom built, one can still find those
with cereal ports.  as I use dos exclusively It has been worth it to me to
keep the door open.
I did not know all those sound card options existed might be fun to play
with them, assuming the sound quality is clear enough.


On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:

> I do, but none of the computers that I have have a serial port. I was hoping that this would be an alternative but I guess not.
>
>> On 18 Feb 2016, at 23:43, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Understood,
>> May I ask what the problem is then?  Do you not have an external synthesizer?
>> I do not use freedos, but a later  package of ms dos 7.1  I have no issues, but I am not using a sound card.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>>
>>> I have heard about talking dosbox, in fact I helped with the project and I made one of the speech synthesis helper applications, but I was hoping to be able to have dos running natively without emulation. I have no sight whatsoever so I need speech output, and the only ways of speech output available are through serial with an external speech synthesizer or via a SoundBlaster or compatible with SBTalker, Monologue, TextAssist etc.
>>>
>>>> On 18 Feb 2016, at 21:49, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Guillem,
>>>> granted I am unsure what your goals may be, but have you tried  a relatively new project talking dosbox?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://batsupport.com/unsupported/dosbox/00_README.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can tell you nothing about it save that  it is supposed to allow for speech via dosbox using the sound card etc.
>>>> hope this presents a solution for you.
>>>> karen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>> Yeah, only reason I asked is because right now my only way of running DOS is actually through dosbox, which would make testing it kind of impossible. Before I dualboot my PC I want to be sure I'll be able to use it. If I don't have speech synthesis I can't use the computer. I would run the screenreaders through HX but the problem is that all the DOS screenreaders that I know of are 16-bit, and I'm not sure if they'd even be able to access all the data they need to.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 17 Feb 2016, at 12:09, Eric Auer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just for clarification, does this only work with programs loaded
>>>>>>> inside dosbox inside HX, or is there any way to get it to work under
>>>>>>> DOS directly, with HX loaded but without DOSbox? I'm still thinking
>>>>>>> of dualbooting one of my machines with DOS but I need some way of
>>>>>>> doing either USB serial port emulation or modern soundcard support
>>>>>>> for speech synthesis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not know, please check the website or try to find out. If it
>>>>>> works in dosbox, it already is quite nice, but of course it would
>>>>>> be even better if it also worked for old DOS programs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>
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Re: HX DOS extender with AC97 and HDA soundcard support

Guillem León
Yeah, ever since I realized DOSUSB wasn't going to help me and VSB would not run any tts software I've been thinking of getting a dedicated machine for DOS but I don't really know where to look. Does anyone know of something not too expensive that has at least one RS232 port and a SoundBlaster-compatible card?
The quality is pretty OK. SBTalker has a low sampling rate but doesn't sound too bad, TextAssist sounds just like DECtalk if you've ever heard that one, and Monologue sounds terrible to me but it's usable although I never got it to load under DOS.


> On 18 Feb 2016, at 23:53, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Oh okay.
> I have no idea, it might I believe someone  suggested asking on the source list for it.
> I have always gotten my machines custom built, one can still find those with cereal ports.  as I use dos exclusively It has been worth it to me to keep the door open.
> I did not know all those sound card options existed might be fun to play with them, assuming the sound quality is clear enough.
>
>
> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>
>> I do, but none of the computers that I have have a serial port. I was hoping that this would be an alternative but I guess not.
>>
>>> On 18 Feb 2016, at 23:43, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Understood,
>>> May I ask what the problem is then?  Do you not have an external synthesizer?
>>> I do not use freedos, but a later  package of ms dos 7.1  I have no issues, but I am not using a sound card.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have heard about talking dosbox, in fact I helped with the project and I made one of the speech synthesis helper applications, but I was hoping to be able to have dos running natively without emulation. I have no sight whatsoever so I need speech output, and the only ways of speech output available are through serial with an external speech synthesizer or via a SoundBlaster or compatible with SBTalker, Monologue, TextAssist etc.
>>>>
>>>>> On 18 Feb 2016, at 21:49, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Guillem,
>>>>> granted I am unsure what your goals may be, but have you tried  a relatively new project talking dosbox?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://batsupport.com/unsupported/dosbox/00_README.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I can tell you nothing about it save that  it is supposed to allow for speech via dosbox using the sound card etc.
>>>>> hope this presents a solution for you.
>>>>> karen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>> Yeah, only reason I asked is because right now my only way of running DOS is actually through dosbox, which would make testing it kind of impossible. Before I dualboot my PC I want to be sure I'll be able to use it. If I don't have speech synthesis I can't use the computer. I would run the screenreaders through HX but the problem is that all the DOS screenreaders that I know of are 16-bit, and I'm not sure if they'd even be able to access all the data they need to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 17 Feb 2016, at 12:09, Eric Auer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just for clarification, does this only work with programs loaded
>>>>>>>> inside dosbox inside HX, or is there any way to get it to work under
>>>>>>>> DOS directly, with HX loaded but without DOSbox? I'm still thinking
>>>>>>>> of dualbooting one of my machines with DOS but I need some way of
>>>>>>>> doing either USB serial port emulation or modern soundcard support
>>>>>>>> for speech synthesis.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do not know, please check the website or try to find out. If it
>>>>>>> works in dosbox, it already is quite nice, but of course it would
>>>>>>> be even better if it also worked for old DOS programs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>>
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Re: HX DOS extender with AC97 and HDA soundcard support

Karen Lewellen
I use dectalk every day smiles.
where are you located?  Somewhere I have contact information for a person
stateside who can build the machine for you, port included.
Is it still possible to find textaccess  anywhere?
might be a fun laptop option.
Kare


On Fri, 19 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:

> Yeah, ever since I realized DOSUSB wasn't going to help me and VSB would not run any tts software I've been thinking of getting a dedicated machine for DOS but I don't really know where to look. Does anyone know of something not too expensive that has at least one RS232 port and a SoundBlaster-compatible card?
> The quality is pretty OK. SBTalker has a low sampling rate but doesn't sound too bad, TextAssist sounds just like DECtalk if you've ever heard that one, and Monologue sounds terrible to me but it's usable although I never got it to load under DOS.
>
>
>> On 18 Feb 2016, at 23:53, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Oh okay.
>> I have no idea, it might I believe someone  suggested asking on the source list for it.
>> I have always gotten my machines custom built, one can still find those with cereal ports.  as I use dos exclusively It has been worth it to me to keep the door open.
>> I did not know all those sound card options existed might be fun to play with them, assuming the sound quality is clear enough.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>>
>>> I do, but none of the computers that I have have a serial port. I was hoping that this would be an alternative but I guess not.
>>>
>>>> On 18 Feb 2016, at 23:43, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Understood,
>>>> May I ask what the problem is then?  Do you not have an external synthesizer?
>>>> I do not use freedos, but a later  package of ms dos 7.1  I have no issues, but I am not using a sound card.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have heard about talking dosbox, in fact I helped with the project and I made one of the speech synthesis helper applications, but I was hoping to be able to have dos running natively without emulation. I have no sight whatsoever so I need speech output, and the only ways of speech output available are through serial with an external speech synthesizer or via a SoundBlaster or compatible with SBTalker, Monologue, TextAssist etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18 Feb 2016, at 21:49, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Guillem,
>>>>>> granted I am unsure what your goals may be, but have you tried  a relatively new project talking dosbox?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://batsupport.com/unsupported/dosbox/00_README.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can tell you nothing about it save that  it is supposed to allow for speech via dosbox using the sound card etc.
>>>>>> hope this presents a solution for you.
>>>>>> karen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>> Yeah, only reason I asked is because right now my only way of running DOS is actually through dosbox, which would make testing it kind of impossible. Before I dualboot my PC I want to be sure I'll be able to use it. If I don't have speech synthesis I can't use the computer. I would run the screenreaders through HX but the problem is that all the DOS screenreaders that I know of are 16-bit, and I'm not sure if they'd even be able to access all the data they need to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 17 Feb 2016, at 12:09, Eric Auer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just for clarification, does this only work with programs loaded
>>>>>>>>> inside dosbox inside HX, or is there any way to get it to work under
>>>>>>>>> DOS directly, with HX loaded but without DOSbox? I'm still thinking
>>>>>>>>> of dualbooting one of my machines with DOS but I need some way of
>>>>>>>>> doing either USB serial port emulation or modern soundcard support
>>>>>>>>> for speech synthesis.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do not know, please check the website or try to find out. If it
>>>>>>>> works in dosbox, it already is quite nice, but of course it would
>>>>>>>> be even better if it also worked for old DOS programs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>>>
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Re: HX DOS extender with AC97 and HDA soundcard support

Guillem León
TextAssist is not too hard to find. You can get a pre-built dosbox with Win 3.1 and TextAssist somewhere in grossgang.com. He has a lot of old DOS access software.
I'm in Spain, so that would probably be kind of a problem. :)
I'm guessing you're using an external DECtalk synthesizer (card/stand-alone)? Have you had it for a long time or did you get it from any place in particular? I've been collecting these things for a while now and I'd love to get hold of a few more.
I don't know if this might be getting a bit off-topic. Feel free to E-Mail me offlist if that's the case. I don't usually post on here so I don't know what's really acceptable. :D

> On 19 Feb 2016, at 02:34, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I use dectalk every day smiles.
> where are you located?  Somewhere I have contact information for a person stateside who can build the machine for you, port included.
> Is it still possible to find textaccess  anywhere?
> might be a fun laptop option.
> Kare
>
>
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>
>> Yeah, ever since I realized DOSUSB wasn't going to help me and VSB would not run any tts software I've been thinking of getting a dedicated machine for DOS but I don't really know where to look. Does anyone know of something not too expensive that has at least one RS232 port and a SoundBlaster-compatible card?
>> The quality is pretty OK. SBTalker has a low sampling rate but doesn't sound too bad, TextAssist sounds just like DECtalk if you've ever heard that one, and Monologue sounds terrible to me but it's usable although I never got it to load under DOS.
>>
>>
>>> On 18 Feb 2016, at 23:53, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh okay.
>>> I have no idea, it might I believe someone  suggested asking on the source list for it.
>>> I have always gotten my machines custom built, one can still find those with cereal ports.  as I use dos exclusively It has been worth it to me to keep the door open.
>>> I did not know all those sound card options existed might be fun to play with them, assuming the sound quality is clear enough.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>>>
>>>> I do, but none of the computers that I have have a serial port. I was hoping that this would be an alternative but I guess not.
>>>>
>>>>> On 18 Feb 2016, at 23:43, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Understood,
>>>>> May I ask what the problem is then?  Do you not have an external synthesizer?
>>>>> I do not use freedos, but a later  package of ms dos 7.1  I have no issues, but I am not using a sound card.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have heard about talking dosbox, in fact I helped with the project and I made one of the speech synthesis helper applications, but I was hoping to be able to have dos running natively without emulation. I have no sight whatsoever so I need speech output, and the only ways of speech output available are through serial with an external speech synthesizer or via a SoundBlaster or compatible with SBTalker, Monologue, TextAssist etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 18 Feb 2016, at 21:49, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Guillem,
>>>>>>> granted I am unsure what your goals may be, but have you tried  a relatively new project talking dosbox?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://batsupport.com/unsupported/dosbox/00_README.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can tell you nothing about it save that  it is supposed to allow for speech via dosbox using the sound card etc.
>>>>>>> hope this presents a solution for you.
>>>>>>> karen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>> Yeah, only reason I asked is because right now my only way of running DOS is actually through dosbox, which would make testing it kind of impossible. Before I dualboot my PC I want to be sure I'll be able to use it. If I don't have speech synthesis I can't use the computer. I would run the screenreaders through HX but the problem is that all the DOS screenreaders that I know of are 16-bit, and I'm not sure if they'd even be able to access all the data they need to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 17 Feb 2016, at 12:09, Eric Auer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just for clarification, does this only work with programs loaded
>>>>>>>>>> inside dosbox inside HX, or is there any way to get it to work under
>>>>>>>>>> DOS directly, with HX loaded but without DOSbox? I'm still thinking
>>>>>>>>>> of dualbooting one of my machines with DOS but I need some way of
>>>>>>>>>> doing either USB serial port emulation or modern soundcard support
>>>>>>>>>> for speech synthesis.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I do not know, please check the website or try to find out. If it
>>>>>>>>> works in dosbox, it already is quite nice, but of course it would
>>>>>>>>> be even better if it also worked for old DOS programs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>>>>
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Re: HX DOS extender with AC97 and HDA soundcard support

Karen Lewellen
Hi,
I do not use dosbox.  my dos setup is strictly dos, so if the textaccess
thing requires dosbox it will not work.
My tie to dec is in a reading edge a stand alone scanner built by xerox
that also has the synthesizer  option.
I have never required emulation as I expressed before.
I will ask  on some other survival pc  lists about spain.  If you are
reasonably urban, there might be a freecycle.org group for the hardware.
will write off list too as I am now wondering about the Spanish.
Kare


On Fri, 19 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:

> TextAssist is not too hard to find. You can get a pre-built dosbox with Win 3.1 and TextAssist somewhere in grossgang.com. He has a lot of old DOS access software.
> I'm in Spain, so that would probably be kind of a problem. :)
> I'm guessing you're using an external DECtalk synthesizer (card/stand-alone)? Have you had it for a long time or did you get it from any place in particular? I've been collecting these things for a while now and I'd love to get hold of a few more.
> I don't know if this might be getting a bit off-topic. Feel free to E-Mail me offlist if that's the case. I don't usually post on here so I don't know what's really acceptable. :D
>
>> On 19 Feb 2016, at 02:34, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I use dectalk every day smiles.
>> where are you located?  Somewhere I have contact information for a person stateside who can build the machine for you, port included.
>> Is it still possible to find textaccess  anywhere?
>> might be a fun laptop option.
>> Kare
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, ever since I realized DOSUSB wasn't going to help me and VSB would not run any tts software I've been thinking of getting a dedicated machine for DOS but I don't really know where to look. Does anyone know of something not too expensive that has at least one RS232 port and a SoundBlaster-compatible card?
>>> The quality is pretty OK. SBTalker has a low sampling rate but doesn't sound too bad, TextAssist sounds just like DECtalk if you've ever heard that one, and Monologue sounds terrible to me but it's usable although I never got it to load under DOS.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 18 Feb 2016, at 23:53, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Oh okay.
>>>> I have no idea, it might I believe someone  suggested asking on the source list for it.
>>>> I have always gotten my machines custom built, one can still find those with cereal ports.  as I use dos exclusively It has been worth it to me to keep the door open.
>>>> I did not know all those sound card options existed might be fun to play with them, assuming the sound quality is clear enough.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I do, but none of the computers that I have have a serial port. I was hoping that this would be an alternative but I guess not.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18 Feb 2016, at 23:43, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Understood,
>>>>>> May I ask what the problem is then?  Do you not have an external synthesizer?
>>>>>> I do not use freedos, but a later  package of ms dos 7.1  I have no issues, but I am not using a sound card.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have heard about talking dosbox, in fact I helped with the project and I made one of the speech synthesis helper applications, but I was hoping to be able to have dos running natively without emulation. I have no sight whatsoever so I need speech output, and the only ways of speech output available are through serial with an external speech synthesizer or via a SoundBlaster or compatible with SBTalker, Monologue, TextAssist etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 18 Feb 2016, at 21:49, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Guillem,
>>>>>>>> granted I am unsure what your goals may be, but have you tried  a relatively new project talking dosbox?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://batsupport.com/unsupported/dosbox/00_README.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can tell you nothing about it save that  it is supposed to allow for speech via dosbox using the sound card etc.
>>>>>>>> hope this presents a solution for you.
>>>>>>>> karen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, only reason I asked is because right now my only way of running DOS is actually through dosbox, which would make testing it kind of impossible. Before I dualboot my PC I want to be sure I'll be able to use it. If I don't have speech synthesis I can't use the computer. I would run the screenreaders through HX but the problem is that all the DOS screenreaders that I know of are 16-bit, and I'm not sure if they'd even be able to access all the data they need to.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 17 Feb 2016, at 12:09, Eric Auer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just for clarification, does this only work with programs loaded
>>>>>>>>>>> inside dosbox inside HX, or is there any way to get it to work under
>>>>>>>>>>> DOS directly, with HX loaded but without DOSbox? I'm still thinking
>>>>>>>>>>> of dualbooting one of my machines with DOS but I need some way of
>>>>>>>>>>> doing either USB serial port emulation or modern soundcard support
>>>>>>>>>>> for speech synthesis.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I do not know, please check the website or try to find out. If it
>>>>>>>>>> works in dosbox, it already is quite nice, but of course it would
>>>>>>>>>> be even better if it also worked for old DOS programs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: HX DOS extender with AC97 and HDA soundcard support

Guillem León
Hi,
Yes, I've heard of the Reading Edge. I was aware of the fact that it used DECtalk, but I didn't know it could act as an external synthesizer.
TextAssist doesn't require dosbox, it just needs a SoundBlaster. I meant that the talking dosbox package included the synthesizer. You can probably get the files out.

> On 19 Feb 2016, at 02:50, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I do not use dosbox.  my dos setup is strictly dos, so if the textaccess thing requires dosbox it will not work.
> My tie to dec is in a reading edge a stand alone scanner built by xerox that also has the synthesizer  option.
> I have never required emulation as I expressed before.
> I will ask  on some other survival pc  lists about spain.  If you are reasonably urban, there might be a freecycle.org group for the hardware.
> will write off list too as I am now wondering about the Spanish.
> Kare
>
>
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>
>> TextAssist is not too hard to find. You can get a pre-built dosbox with Win 3.1 and TextAssist somewhere in grossgang.com. He has a lot of old DOS access software.
>> I'm in Spain, so that would probably be kind of a problem. :)
>> I'm guessing you're using an external DECtalk synthesizer (card/stand-alone)? Have you had it for a long time or did you get it from any place in particular? I've been collecting these things for a while now and I'd love to get hold of a few more.
>> I don't know if this might be getting a bit off-topic. Feel free to E-Mail me offlist if that's the case. I don't usually post on here so I don't know what's really acceptable. :D
>>
>>> On 19 Feb 2016, at 02:34, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I use dectalk every day smiles.
>>> where are you located?  Somewhere I have contact information for a person stateside who can build the machine for you, port included.
>>> Is it still possible to find textaccess  anywhere?
>>> might be a fun laptop option.
>>> Kare
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, ever since I realized DOSUSB wasn't going to help me and VSB would not run any tts software I've been thinking of getting a dedicated machine for DOS but I don't really know where to look. Does anyone know of something not too expensive that has at least one RS232 port and a SoundBlaster-compatible card?
>>>> The quality is pretty OK. SBTalker has a low sampling rate but doesn't sound too bad, TextAssist sounds just like DECtalk if you've ever heard that one, and Monologue sounds terrible to me but it's usable although I never got it to load under DOS.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 18 Feb 2016, at 23:53, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh okay.
>>>>> I have no idea, it might I believe someone  suggested asking on the source list for it.
>>>>> I have always gotten my machines custom built, one can still find those with cereal ports.  as I use dos exclusively It has been worth it to me to keep the door open.
>>>>> I did not know all those sound card options existed might be fun to play with them, assuming the sound quality is clear enough.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I do, but none of the computers that I have have a serial port. I was hoping that this would be an alternative but I guess not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 18 Feb 2016, at 23:43, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Understood,
>>>>>>> May I ask what the problem is then?  Do you not have an external synthesizer?
>>>>>>> I do not use freedos, but a later  package of ms dos 7.1  I have no issues, but I am not using a sound card.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have heard about talking dosbox, in fact I helped with the project and I made one of the speech synthesis helper applications, but I was hoping to be able to have dos running natively without emulation. I have no sight whatsoever so I need speech output, and the only ways of speech output available are through serial with an external speech synthesizer or via a SoundBlaster or compatible with SBTalker, Monologue, TextAssist etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 18 Feb 2016, at 21:49, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Guillem,
>>>>>>>>> granted I am unsure what your goals may be, but have you tried  a relatively new project talking dosbox?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://batsupport.com/unsupported/dosbox/00_README.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can tell you nothing about it save that  it is supposed to allow for speech via dosbox using the sound card etc.
>>>>>>>>> hope this presents a solution for you.
>>>>>>>>> karen
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, only reason I asked is because right now my only way of running DOS is actually through dosbox, which would make testing it kind of impossible. Before I dualboot my PC I want to be sure I'll be able to use it. If I don't have speech synthesis I can't use the computer. I would run the screenreaders through HX but the problem is that all the DOS screenreaders that I know of are 16-bit, and I'm not sure if they'd even be able to access all the data they need to.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 17 Feb 2016, at 12:09, Eric Auer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just for clarification, does this only work with programs loaded
>>>>>>>>>>>> inside dosbox inside HX, or is there any way to get it to work under
>>>>>>>>>>>> DOS directly, with HX loaded but without DOSbox? I'm still thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>> of dualbooting one of my machines with DOS but I need some way of
>>>>>>>>>>>> doing either USB serial port emulation or modern soundcard support
>>>>>>>>>>>> for speech synthesis.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I do not know, please check the website or try to find out. If it
>>>>>>>>>>> works in dosbox, it already is quite nice, but of course it would
>>>>>>>>>>> be even better if it also worked for old DOS programs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Eric
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Re: HX DOS extender with AC97 and HDA soundcard support

Karen Lewellen
hi,
oh okay.
I am about to write you privately.  One of the members on the surv pc as
in survivors list is in Spain. He has a good list of places from which
you can obtain  the king of computer you desire with the ports that may
work best.
Thanks for the textaccess tip will see what I can find.
Karen


On Fri, 19 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:

> Hi,
> Yes, I've heard of the Reading Edge. I was aware of the fact that it used DECtalk, but I didn't know it could act as an external synthesizer.
> TextAssist doesn't require dosbox, it just needs a SoundBlaster. I meant that the talking dosbox package included the synthesizer. You can probably get the files out.
>
>> On 19 Feb 2016, at 02:50, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I do not use dosbox.  my dos setup is strictly dos, so if the textaccess thing requires dosbox it will not work.
>> My tie to dec is in a reading edge a stand alone scanner built by xerox that also has the synthesizer  option.
>> I have never required emulation as I expressed before.
>> I will ask  on some other survival pc  lists about spain.  If you are reasonably urban, there might be a freecycle.org group for the hardware.
>> will write off list too as I am now wondering about the Spanish.
>> Kare
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>>
>>> TextAssist is not too hard to find. You can get a pre-built dosbox with Win 3.1 and TextAssist somewhere in grossgang.com. He has a lot of old DOS access software.
>>> I'm in Spain, so that would probably be kind of a problem. :)
>>> I'm guessing you're using an external DECtalk synthesizer (card/stand-alone)? Have you had it for a long time or did you get it from any place in particular? I've been collecting these things for a while now and I'd love to get hold of a few more.
>>> I don't know if this might be getting a bit off-topic. Feel free to E-Mail me offlist if that's the case. I don't usually post on here so I don't know what's really acceptable. :D
>>>
>>>> On 19 Feb 2016, at 02:34, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I use dectalk every day smiles.
>>>> where are you located?  Somewhere I have contact information for a person stateside who can build the machine for you, port included.
>>>> Is it still possible to find textaccess  anywhere?
>>>> might be a fun laptop option.
>>>> Kare
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, ever since I realized DOSUSB wasn't going to help me and VSB would not run any tts software I've been thinking of getting a dedicated machine for DOS but I don't really know where to look. Does anyone know of something not too expensive that has at least one RS232 port and a SoundBlaster-compatible card?
>>>>> The quality is pretty OK. SBTalker has a low sampling rate but doesn't sound too bad, TextAssist sounds just like DECtalk if you've ever heard that one, and Monologue sounds terrible to me but it's usable although I never got it to load under DOS.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18 Feb 2016, at 23:53, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh okay.
>>>>>> I have no idea, it might I believe someone  suggested asking on the source list for it.
>>>>>> I have always gotten my machines custom built, one can still find those with cereal ports.  as I use dos exclusively It has been worth it to me to keep the door open.
>>>>>> I did not know all those sound card options existed might be fun to play with them, assuming the sound quality is clear enough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do, but none of the computers that I have have a serial port. I was hoping that this would be an alternative but I guess not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 18 Feb 2016, at 23:43, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Understood,
>>>>>>>> May I ask what the problem is then?  Do you not have an external synthesizer?
>>>>>>>> I do not use freedos, but a later  package of ms dos 7.1  I have no issues, but I am not using a sound card.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have heard about talking dosbox, in fact I helped with the project and I made one of the speech synthesis helper applications, but I was hoping to be able to have dos running natively without emulation. I have no sight whatsoever so I need speech output, and the only ways of speech output available are through serial with an external speech synthesizer or via a SoundBlaster or compatible with SBTalker, Monologue, TextAssist etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 18 Feb 2016, at 21:49, Karen Lewellen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Guillem,
>>>>>>>>>> granted I am unsure what your goals may be, but have you tried  a relatively new project talking dosbox?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://batsupport.com/unsupported/dosbox/00_README.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I can tell you nothing about it save that  it is supposed to allow for speech via dosbox using the sound card etc.
>>>>>>>>>> hope this presents a solution for you.
>>>>>>>>>> karen
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Guillem León wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, only reason I asked is because right now my only way of running DOS is actually through dosbox, which would make testing it kind of impossible. Before I dualboot my PC I want to be sure I'll be able to use it. If I don't have speech synthesis I can't use the computer. I would run the screenreaders through HX but the problem is that all the DOS screenreaders that I know of are 16-bit, and I'm not sure if they'd even be able to access all the data they need to.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17 Feb 2016, at 12:09, Eric Auer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just for clarification, does this only work with programs loaded
>>>>>>>>>>>>> inside dosbox inside HX, or is there any way to get it to work under
>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOS directly, with HX loaded but without DOSbox? I'm still thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of dualbooting one of my machines with DOS but I need some way of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing either USB serial port emulation or modern soundcard support
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for speech synthesis.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not know, please check the website or try to find out. If it
>>>>>>>>>>>> works in dosbox, it already is quite nice, but of course it would
>>>>>>>>>>>> be even better if it also worked for old DOS programs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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