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Several years ago I wrote everything I could find out about DOS and Wifi here:

http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/WiFi

If anybody finds out more about it, please give some feedback...


> On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 15:07:35 -0400 dmccunney <[hidden email]>
> writes:
>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Dale E Sterner
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> I see that someone on Ebay is selling an HP mini
>>> with a FREEDOS os installed. All the HP minis that
>>> I've seen have wifi & bluetooth built in. That would
>>> mean an 802.11 client to do it. The ad doesn't
>>> mention wifi or bluetooth but every mini that I've seen
>>> has it.
>>
>> The machine may have the *hardware*.  Whether the hardware will be
>> *usable* will depend on software.
>>
>> MSDOS was written back before Wifi and Bluetooth *existed*.  FreeDOS
>> tries to be compatible with MSDOS, which means "support for what
>> existed when MSDOS was current."
>>
>> I would *not* expect Wifi or Bluetooth to be usable on the machine
>> in
>> FreeDOS, because the drivers don't exist.  If you want to use Wifi
>> or
>> Bluetooth on that hardware, you'll need to install another OS that
>> supports them.  (Depending on exactly which HP mini model it is,
>> there
>> might be a flavor of Linux that can do it.)
>> ______
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charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div></div><div>Several years ago I
wrote everything I could find out about DOS and Wifi
here:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/WiFi">http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/WiFi</a></div><div><br></div><div>If anybody finds out more about it, please give some feedback...</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span></span><span>On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 15:07:35 -0400 dmccunney &lt;<a href="mailto:[hidden email]">[hidden email]</a>&gt;</span><br><span>writes:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Dale E Sterner </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>&lt;<a href="mailto:[hidden email]">[hidden email]</a>&gt; wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I see that someone on Ebay is selling an HP mini</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>with a FREEDOS os installed. All the HP minis that</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="ci
te"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I've seen have wifi &amp; bluetooth built in. That would</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>mean an 802.11 client to do it. The ad doesn't</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>mention wifi or bluetooth but every mini that I've seen</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>has it.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The machine may have the *hardware*. &nbsp;Whether the hardware will be</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>*usable* will depend on software.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>MSDOS was written back before Wifi and Bluetooth *existed*. &nbsp;FreeDOS</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>tries to be c
ompatible with MSDOS, which means "support for what</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>existed when MSDOS was current."</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I would *not* expect Wifi or Bluetooth to be usable on the machine </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>in</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>FreeDOS, because the drivers don't exist. &nbsp;If you want to use Wifi </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>or</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Bluetooth on that hardware, you'll need to install another OS that</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>supports them. &nbsp;(Depending on exactly which HP mini model it is, </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>there</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>might be a flavor of Linux that can do it.)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
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Re: WIFI on DOS (was: bsum - compute BSD checksumsof yo

Karen Lewellen-2
From: Dale E Sterner <[hidden email]>

I installed win 7 on a laptop to see what it could do but not to
use it. The laptop doesn't have an internet connection so had
to use the phone method.to  Install it. I installed software that I
bought to
see what it  would do on win 7. Alot of of message boxes came
up giving me 24 hours to reactive or it would shut down forever.
I left the test software on being affraid that if I removed it, it would
do it again. Win 7 is now on my junk software list.



cheers
DS



On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 17:06:59 -0400 dmccunney <[hidden email]>
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> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Dale E Sterner <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > With windows if your PC dies and you want to move
> > to a dupicate and keep running - your out of luck.
>
> Not really.  Been there, done that.
>
> On my old, built-from components PC, I moved XP several times.  I
> made
> changes to the underlying system and Windows wanted to
> reauthenticate.
>
> The time before last, online authentication failed, and I wound up
> speaking to a Microsoft rep. His concern was solely that I wasn't
> trying to run the *same* copy of Windows on more than one machine at
> a
> time.  "Nope.  Same physical machine.  I had a hardware failure and
> had to get a new motherboard."  He got me authenticated.
>
> The next time I had to do so, online authentication worked with no
> issues - MS had made changes to the online authentication site, and
> whatever made it fail before no longer bit.
>
> > Windows ability to detect small changes is amazing -
> > it just wants to stop.
>
> Windows has an intimate relationship with the hardware.  It *is* an
> OS.  If you *make* hardware changes, it will notice.  Whether it
> wants
> to stop will depend on the hardware you changed.  Video cards, hard
> drives, and RAM shouldn't cause a problem.  Motherboard changes
> will.
> As far as Windows is concerned, that's a new machine.
>
> > Win 7 is such a pain to deal with I think even DOS could beat it.
>
> I've run Win7, and can't agree.  I was quite happy with Win7.  These
> days, I run Win10, and I'm generally pleased with it.  (I run the
> Pro
> version in both cases.)
>
> It follows the "every *other* release of Windows is decent" pattern.
> I avoided Vista like the plague, but was happy with Win7.  I avoided
> 8.1 but am generally pleased with Win10.
>
> Of course, I have the hardware to properly support it, and know what
> I'm doing.
>
> The current desktop is a replacement for a failed older one.  The
> older one came with Win7, and I upgraded to Win10.  I'd done that on
> three laptops with no issues.  The desktop was "new and different
> Win10 BSODs - collect the whole set!", and I was.  The new machine
> is
> rock solid and stable, but it's also faster and more powerful
> hardware.  My conclusion was that the older machine could run Win7
> but
> wasn't really up to Win10, even though it would install without
> issues.  (One annoying quirk was that it was a quad-core machine but
> Win10 only saw two cores.  The Xeon CPU is used wasn't on the
> "supported by Win10 list Intel maintains.  The i5-2400 in the new
> box
> is, and Win10 sees and uses all four cores.)
>
> Something like that happened in the Win Vista days.  MS wanted
> everyone on Vista, but some of the hardware in the pipeline wasn't
> really up to running it.  (Mostly, inadequate video.)  MS created a
> new level of certification - Vista Capable - so hardware vendors
> could
> put it on the box.  Jim Allchin, who was SVP in charge of Windows
> development at the time, was livid.  He felt, correctly, that the
> hardware would not provide a good experience for users and that MS
> would get yet another black eye in the marketplace.  MS really
> should
> have waited 6 months for a new generation of hardware that would
> properly support Vista, but wanted to make XP go away.
>
> > Every time I install new software it wants to be
> > reauthenticated.
>
> Win7?  That never happened here.  Are you sure it got properly
> authenticated in the first place?
>
> What new software triggers a request for reauthentication?
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Re: WIFI on DOS (was: bsum - compute BSD checksumsof yo

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The win 7 was a 32 bit copy purchased on Amazon.
The software was a dvd converter to convert dvds to mp4.
It didn't work on XP so I wanted to try it on win 7; didn't work
there either. The 1st activation was slow painful and
successful. Win 7 gave warning about making changes.
I followed all instructions to the letter.
The message came from win 7. If you are connected
to wifi I think it does the reactivation automatically and
quietly.


cheers
DS


On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 16:58:06 -0400 dmccunney <[hidden email]>
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> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Dale E Sterner <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > I installed win 7 on a laptop to see what it could do but not to
> use it.
>
> Where did you get the copy of Win7 you installed?
>
> > The laptop doesn't have an internet connection so had to use the
> > phone method.to  Install it.
>
> Are you certain that worked correctly?
>
> > I installed software that I bought to see what it  would do on win
> 7.
>
> What software was this?
>
> > A lot of of message boxes came up giving me 24 hours to reactive
> > or it would shut down forever.
>
> Did those messages come from Win7 or the software you installed?
>
> > I left the test software on being affraid that if I removed it, it
> would
> > do it again. Win 7 is now on my junk software list.
>
> I'm afraid my take from here is pilot error.  When you don't
> actually
> know what you're doing, problems arise.
>
> You got DOS and DOS apps in the old days, got them to where you
> wanted, and stopped.  If what you have does what you need, splendid.
> If it doesn't, you are looking at stepping beyond DOS.  That will
> mean
> either a flavor of Windows or a flavor of Linux.  Either way,
> there's
> a learning curve you're stuck with, and you need to learn more about
> and better understand what your options are.
>
> Proceeding without knowledge is a good way to shoot yourself in
> *both* feet.
>
> > cheers
> > DS
> ______
> Dennis
>
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Re: WIFI on DOS (was: bsum - compute BSD checksumsof yo

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> I find that your MS dos 7.1 has been doing a little better
> than FREEDOS. Jemmex sometimes hangs up.
> Corel made great DOS software. I use their Qpro
> to do my taxes. I fill in the blanks and it calclates my tax.

> cheers
> DS

I too used Borland Quattro Pro for DOS, through v5, to calculate income taxes.

That was the last DOS version.  I don't think Corel did anything with Quattro
Pro for DOS, but continued Quattro Pro for Windows for some time.

I was able to run Quattro Pro 5 for DOS in DOSBox but felt better with straight
DOS.

I used OS/2 Warp 3 and 4 DOS session, DR-DOS 7.03 and later FreeDOS.

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Re: WIFI on DOS (was: bsum - compute BSD checksumsof yo

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I have Qpro 5.6 but haven't used it yet. Still using version 3
The macros are powerful and a lot earier to use than
Excel. Version 5.6 is said to have a solver built in
like TK solver. One of these days I'll find out.

cheers
DS




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> > I find that your MS dos 7.1 has been doing a little better
> > than FREEDOS. Jemmex sometimes hangs up.
> > Corel made great DOS software. I use their Qpro
> > to do my taxes. I fill in the blanks and it calclates my tax.
>
> > cheers
> > DS
>
> I too used Borland Quattro Pro for DOS, through v5, to calculate
> income taxes.
>
> That was the last DOS version.  I don't think Corel did anything
> with Quattro Pro for DOS, but continued Quattro Pro for Windows for
> some time.
>
> I was able to run Quattro Pro 5 for DOS in DOSBox but felt better
> with straight DOS.
>
> I used OS/2 Warp 3 and 4 DOS session, DR-DOS 7.03 and later FreeDOS.
>
> Tom
>
>
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Re: WIFI on DOS (was: bsum - compute BSD checksumsof yo

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The packet driver link for dos come up FORBIDDEN.

cheers
DS


On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 21:49:46 +0200 Ulrich Hansen <[hidden email]>
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> Several years ago I wrote everything I could find out about DOS and
> Wifi here:
>
> http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/WiFi
>
> If anybody finds out more about it, please give some feedback...
>
>
> > On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 15:07:35 -0400 dmccunney
> <[hidden email]>
> > writes:
> >> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Dale E Sterner
> >> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>> I see that someone on Ebay is selling an HP mini
> >>> with a FREEDOS os installed. All the HP minis that
> >>> I've seen have wifi & bluetooth built in. That would
> >>> mean an 802.11 client to do it. The ad doesn't
> >>> mention wifi or bluetooth but every mini that I've seen
> >>> has it.
> >>
> >> The machine may have the *hardware*.  Whether the hardware will
> be
> >> *usable* will depend on software.
> >>
> >> MSDOS was written back before Wifi and Bluetooth *existed*.
> FreeDOS
> >> tries to be compatible with MSDOS, which means "support for what
> >> existed when MSDOS was current."
> >>
> >> I would *not* expect Wifi or Bluetooth to be usable on the
> machine
> >> in
> >> FreeDOS, because the drivers don't exist.  If you want to use
> Wifi
> >> or
> >> Bluetooth on that hardware, you'll need to install another OS
> that
> >> supports them.  (Depending on exactly which HP mini model it is,
> >> there
> >> might be a flavor of Linux that can do it.)
> >> ______
> >> Dennis
> >>
> >>
> >
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Re: WIFI on DOS (was: bsum - compute BSD checksumsof yo

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> I have Qpro 5.6 but haven't used it yet. Still using version 3
> The macros are powerful and a lot earier to use than
> Excel. Version 5.6 is said to have a solver built in
> like TK solver. One of these days I'll find out.

> cheers
> DS

Last Qpro version for DOS was 5.  Was there a 5.6?  DOS or Windows?

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Re: WIFI on DOS (was: bsum - compute BSD checksumsof yo

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On Ebay I purchased a cd with unreleased Corel dos
software. There would have been a 5.6 version had it been
released. Some woman got it from a boyfriend who
worked for Corel and then sold it on Ebay for about $150.
I was high bid.

cheers
DS


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> > I have Qpro 5.6 but haven't used it yet. Still using version 3
> > The macros are powerful and a lot earier to use than
> > Excel. Version 5.6 is said to have a solver built in
> > like TK solver. One of these days I'll find out.
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> Last Qpro version for DOS was 5.  Was there a 5.6?  DOS or Windows?
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Re: WIFI on DOS (was: bsum - compute BSD checksumsof yo

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> Am 24.04.2017 um 07:07 schrieb Dan Schmidt <[hidden email]>:
>
> Is this thread still about wireless for Dos?  If not, sorry for posting.
>
> If so, I bought a wireless to ethernet bridge - smaller than a deck of cards,
runs on usb power - works great for my Dos machine.  I tried a wifi card that
supposedly supported dos - never could get it working, threw it away in
disgust.

This sounds interesting. Is it something like this?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TQEX8BO/ref=psdc_300189_t2_B00HZWOQZ6
Thanks for the hint.
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